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    Former featured article candidateSt. Peter's Basilica is a former featured article candidate. Please view the links under Article milestones below to see why the nomination was archived. For older candidates, please check the archive.
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    DateProcessResult
    August 11, 2016Featured article candidateNot promoted
    On this day...Facts from this article were featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on November 18, 2005, November 18, 2006, April 18, 2007, November 18, 2007, April 18, 2008, April 18, 2009, April 18, 2010, April 18, 2011, April 18, 2012, April 18, 2013, April 18, 2015, and April 18, 2016.

    Years to build dome?

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    It is not clear how long the actual building of the dome took from state to completion. Please insert at the beginning of the Dome section. Thanks.

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    If you're using AD it should be placed *before* the year number, e.g. AD 300, not 300 AD ("in the year of the Lord 300"). CE, if used, is correctly place *after* the number. 2A00:23C6:CB80:6F01:E8F6:981C:841D:57EE (talk) 10:55, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Per MOS:ERA, 300 AD is an accepted formatting. ~ Pbritti (talk) 14:09, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed generally the most common, I'd think. Johnbod (talk) 14:48, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Requested move 22 April 2025

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    St. Peter's BasilicaSaint Peter's Basilica – The abbreviation "St." in the current title is considered to be American and Canadian English, but whenever the article isn't naming the basilica (and on a few occasions when it does) it uses British English with Oxford spelling, where the abbreviation would be "St" without a full stop. I propose spelling "Saint" out in full, as that's an area of MOS:COMMONALITY between varieties of English. It's also WP:CONSISTENT with the two other major churches in Rome whose English Wikipedia article titles use English, not Italian names: the Archbasilica of Saint John Lateran and the Basilica of Saint Paul Outside the Walls.

    In practice we seem to have no particular naming convention for which form of "Saint"/"St."/"St" to use for churches which aren't in English-speaking countries. While we use "St." and "Saint" for some basilicas in Rome, as already noted, for St Mark's Basilica in Venice we use "St". MOS:SAINT (a guideline) says "If the word "saint" is included in an article name, the standard formula is to keep it unabbreviated except when referring to a name with typical abbreviation (e.g. St. Louis, United States)." That is followed by the section MOS:PARTSAINT more specifically dealing with church buildings, which lightly implies that "{Church building} of Saint {X}" is the default, but allows for "St" and "St." as variations. However, WP:CHURCH (an essay) rather contradicts that by saying that an abbreviated form should be used, even though it cites MOS:PARTSAINT.

    Standardising to "Saint" for churches without WP:TIES to a variety of English would have some slight practical advantages over abbreviated forms, because the article titles would automatically sort alphabetically in categories without the need for a sort key spelling out "Saint", and links in the body text of other articles which copy the article title with "Saint" would never break with the variety of English in which they're written. Ham II (talk) 14:51, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Support per nominator. Killuminator (talk) 19:25, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Prefer Saint Peter's, Rome as the WP:COMMONNAME, otherwise support as 2nd best. Johnbod (talk) 21:01, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Support per nom and this seems like a reasonable default to apply, barring TIES or other subject-specific considerations. I appreciate the thorough explanation. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 22:11, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Support. Agree that "Saint" should be the default in titles without TIES. Srnec (talk) 13:34, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Support It's better to use the full word instead of abbreviations in a title. EXANXC (talk) 14:38, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]